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Moltov joss · Sep 18, 2005, 07:45 AM // 07:45

My 2coppers on the revoloution controller:

It is just too much of an oddity. So much so I will not even consider buying a system with such a controller I am uncertain of. That reason and that reason alone is why I am waiting untill I can play a demo unit or a friends revoloution (post-launch).

POurab · Sep 18, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

Gamecube was a failure, and one of the worst kind. A commercial failure....

eehm.... Gamecube and Xbox both have sold 16 million machines all over the world. So if GC is a failure, then xbox is a failure to!

Manderlock · Sep 18, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by POurab

eehm.... Gamecube and Xbox both have sold 16 million machines all over the world. So if GC is a failure, then xbox is a failure to!

Nope look at the companys incomes, Nintendo is still losing money on the GC.

On an interesting side note they are also losing money on the GBA, ever since the PSP came out.

Lag Hell · Sep 18, 2005, 10:44 AM // 10:44

ewwww.....nintendo.....

Jack Avery · Sep 18, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

For your information Nintendo is the company in the gameindustry that makes the most profit, more than even EA and Sony with about 7-8 billion dollar profit for Nintendo since 1998. I'm trying to find the article back that can back this up so you can see for yourself.
Edit:http://www.dfcint.com/news/prmar2205.html here you are

Also, I don't see how Nintendo can lose money on the GCN if they sell every unit with profit (which they actually do yes, and they've earned back developing costs a long time ago already).
Same goes for the GBA, they can't possibly "lose" money on it since they've earned back their investment more than a few times already there.

I personally think this controller has tons of potential to change gaming for the better. Whether it'll be a big hit or a loss will depend on the games and the gamers, but it's undeniable that the possibilities for this controller are endless. It's natural for people to be sceptic about this considering the lack of third party support Nintendo had over the last years, but don't forget this is also the company who practically invented the D-pad, the Analog Stick, shoulder buttons and the rumble feature.

All nintendo has to do is to let people experience it themselves. Show it off with a high-quality game, like hopefully mario 128. Currently there seem to be three camps in the controller discussions: those who embrace the innovation and see the possibilities, those who remain sceptic but refrain from butting the controller down untill they see it and those who don't do any research, just take a look, fail to see the possibilities and therefor write it down as a gimmick.

All I'd ask is not to judge it before you can try it and before you actually read the hands-ons. This thing seems to be a new and better way to play FPSses on a console, and also the way to play RTS games on them. There will be more traditional games that might not work with the standard controller, but there are always the addons or the possibilitiy to plug in the gamecube controller to fix that. Personally I'd rather see that developers, yes even EA, find a way to overcome using a "classic plug in" for the controller and actually attempt to adapt games to fit a new way of playing them.

A hands-on preview by IGN:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html

Some thinking of IGN about the possibilities of the controller in the current genres: http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651224p1.html

Semi-directly related to the controller: here's an interesting analysis of Nintendo's marketing strategy:
http://lostgarden.com/2005/09/ninten...-strategy.html

Manderlock · Sep 18, 2005, 11:00 AM // 11:00

First of I wish that I could remeber where I read this, so that I could sight it.

Their over all profits have been cut in half, and thats only talking about this last quarter.

There is NO way that they can continue to stand on their feet if the "Revolution" turns into another GC. Plain and simple.

You are right, I should have said losing profit, Im sorry for the mix up. Losing profit means less money for them to spend, and that means less product for them to put out.

EDIT: and why is everyone that dosent like it automaticly looked at by you as if they didnt put any thought into it. I did, and I need more than what they got in a controller.

Lag Hell · Sep 18, 2005, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Jack Avery

For your information Nintendo is the company in the gameindustry that makes the most profit, more than even EA and Sony with about 7-8 billion dollar profit for Nintendo since 1998. I'm trying to find the article back that can back this up so you can see for yourself.

Also, I don't see how Nintendo can lose money on the GCN if they sell every unit with profit (which they actually do yes, and they've earned back developing costs a long time ago already).
Same goes for the GBA, they can't possibly "lose" money on it since they've earned back their investment more than a few times already there.

I personally think this controller has tons of potential to change gaming for the better. Whether it'll be a big hit or a loss will depend on the games and the gamers, but it's undeniable that the possibilities for this controller are endless. It's natural for people to be sceptic about this considering the lack of third party support Nintendo had over the last years, but don't forget this is also the company who practically invented the D-pad, the Analog Stick, shoulder buttons and the rumble feature.

All nintendo has to do is to let people experience it themselves. Show it off with a high-quality game, like hopefully mario 128. Currently there seem to be three camps in the controller discussions: those who embrace the innovation and see the possibilities, those who remain sceptic but refrain from butting the controller down untill they see it and those who don't do any research, just take a look, fail to see the possibilities and therefor write it down as a gimmick.

All I'd ask is not to judge it before you can try it and before you actually read the hands-ons. This thing seems to be a new and better way to play FPSses on a console, and also the way to play RTS games on them. There will be more traditional games that might not work with the standard controller, but there are always the addons or the possibilitiy to plug in the gamecube controller to fix that. Personally I'd rather see that developers, yes even EA, find a way to overcome using a "classic plug in" for the controller and actually attempt to adapt games to fit a new way of playing them.

A hands-on preview by IGN:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html

Some thinking of IGN about the possibilities of the controller in the current genres: http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651224p1.html

Semi-directly related to the controller: here's an interesting analysis of Nintendo's marketing strategy:
http://lostgarden.com/2005/09/ninten...-strategy.html

OooOOOoOOO another nintendo fanboy eh?

Jack Avery · Sep 18, 2005, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Lag Hell

OooOOOoOOO another nintendo fanboy eh?

Well, partially yes

But I like the PS2/3 aswell, same goes for some of the games coming on the X360 and some games on the Xbox (ninja gaiden ^^).

I'm not trying to prove that Sony or Microsoft suck here, as they don't. I do support Nintendo's move to innovate in the currently stagnant game industry.

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

EDIT: and why is everyone that dosent like it automaticly looked at by you as if they didnt put any thought into it. I did, and I need more than what they got in a controller.

I don't remember seeing any founded argumentation in why the controller would be bad. If I came across as if you personally didn't put any thought into it, I apologise. I'm just tired of seeing a lot of unfounded opinions about this topic on the net aka people saying it sucks because nintendo sucks or it looks like a remote so it sucks. If you read the general opinions of the industry itself (aka developers and the commercial reporting sites like IGN and Gamespot who actually got to use the thing), the reports are only promising and positive.

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

There is NO way that they can continue to stand on their feet if the "Revolution" turns into another GC. Plain and simple.

As long as Nintendo makes sufficient profit, they're standing imho ^^ Their handhelds and big franchises bring in tons of money, also (read that marketing analysis link I posted for some proof) they can afford to sell less and make more money anyway, because of lower development costs. While Gamecube wasn't the best in terms of game availability (same goes for the N64 before it), it certainly did its job when it comes to earning money. Also I really enjoyed both N64 and GCN, guess I just need the AAA exclusive titles to justify the buying of these consoles (personal taste) - the same counts for Xbox and PS2 titles, it's mainly the exclusives that interest me. As a matter of fact, the only cross-platform title I have on my GCN is Soul Calibur II. If I want more generic gaming, my PC still is the main platform.

Manderlock · Sep 18, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

Yea, and thats what they said about the damn DS, and I feel that I pissed that money down the toliet. (would trade for a PSP in a second)

I honestly feel that Ive been skrewed by the big N, and it will take alot to bring me back.

*gos to play his SNES while screaming "WHAT HAPPEND"*

EDIT: If the new Zelda game is any good it wont matter what I think about the controller, Ill be buying it.

Jack Avery · Sep 18, 2005, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

Yea, and thats what they said about the damn DS, and feel that I pissed that money down the toliet. (would trade for a PSP in a second)

I honestly feel that Ive been skrewed by the big N, and it will take alot to bring me back.

*gos to play his SNES while screaming "WHAT HAPPEND"*

I have little DS experience, but I'd say that the developers and their games make or break the features Nintendo offers them. The touchscreen itself is a good idea and I've heard of some titles that really use it well, but if game devs don't try to think out of the box, you won't realise the max potential of what the DS/Revolution capabilities are.

Manderlock · Sep 18, 2005, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Jack Avery

I have little DS experience, but I'd say that the developers and their games make or break the features Nintendo offers them. The touchscreen itself is a good idea and I've heard of some titles that really use it well, but if game devs don't try to think out of the box, you won't realise the max potential of what the DS/Revolution capabilities are.

True, but Nintendo will be hard pressed to find anyone that would take that leap of faith so to speak. Even if they alow the GC controller to be plugged in, that controller stank IMO as well. (and yes I own one) If they want a good controller idea, go back to the N64, thoughs were great.

I want the old Nintendo back.

Jack Avery · Sep 18, 2005, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

True, but Nintendo will be hard pressed to find anyone that would take that leap of faith so to speak.

That's why they need a few brilliant games at start to show off what it can do. Once people see what's possible, they'll be convinced easier. Do it wrong and you got a problem

Manderlock · Sep 18, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

If they were smart they should lead off with a Zelda game, but they better not put thoughs damn cartoon graphics in this one.

If they ruin the Zelda games, then they no longer have a hold on me.

Jack Avery · Sep 18, 2005, 11:43 AM // 11:43

It's said that the next zelda (which is still planned for gamecube) will be the last of its kind. I wonder what the Big N has in mind for its key franchise after mario, as I'd hate to see Zelda butchered

It could be grand or a disaster, but the new controller opens up for a lot of possibilities for Zelda Revo.

I personally loved TWW, it had two negatives though : too short and too easy. The next Zelda is supposed to fix that.

Back ontopic tho, I am still happy that there is atleast one console that attempts to be a true Next-Gen console. Sony & Microsoft have some powerhouse consoles there, but I doubt they'll innovate more than coming closer to better graphics and physics.

Rayea · Sep 18, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

well, dont forget that third partys will be making controlers for all systems.

that way, you can have your fave controler with whatever system you want.

i have all the current systems bar psp and ps3/xbox 360, and i have always bought what i wanted, reguardless of wheter it 'pwnd' ectera.

the controlers are usualy a little hard to use at first, but once you get used to them, thats it.
theres devises now that will let you use the controler of your choise on your system, so why will it matter what the new Rev device is like, so long as you can plug your fave 3rd party GC controler into it, or your fave x box or ps2 one with a converter?

frell, i hade to go buy the smallest versions of ALL the console controlers, because i have tiny hands....so smnall they would probably work best on the japan only ones, till the mini ones came out.

manderlock, GC only had trouble simply cause they didnt realise that the west and the east dont play the same way.
look at the release list of package version between the ps2/xbox and gc.

if they had 50/50 the bundles outside of japan with a black GC and anything other than cute, called it the GamerPak and sold it, and a purple with cute and called it FamilyPak, they would have been ok.

the west's idea of grown up gaming is simple, in genereal....
BIG frelling GUN.
Big Breasted women in tight or skimpy outfits.
Big amounts of the F word, huge amounts of swearing and references to sex.
oh..anf LOTS of graphic violence and blood and frags ectra.

where as East has a lot of things it considers to be grown up.

if the cube could have come out in the AdultPak, with Res evil, any FPS game and a racecar game as a bundle, it would have done reasonable.

and have you noticed something?
only the systems that were EASY to bootleg, copy the games and crack/chip have done well over here in the west.

nintendo has always tried to make its stuff hard as hell to copy, and THAT, realy is its downfall.
PSOne was a flop more than psx cause once the first batch of chiping came out, it only played copied games and not bought ones, and you had to use a cheat disk for your action replay, unlike the older grey brick psx that had a pack in the back version.

its seems to ether be about who can sell the most 'grown up' games or about which system can be cracked the fastest and you can have the most games for free for.

in which case, go out and buy a psp, and a few 2 gig memeory sticks and sit by the pc and wait.......(last line aimed at general populace of gamers, rather than manderlock personaly, btw)

ninty have already shelved the 'Cel shaded' thing for zelda. ok, they have put back Twighlight princess, but if what i have seen of it, and what i hear they are adding are anytihng to go by, i can wait till after xmas for it...i mean, its beautifull, just in still form, it makes all the hairs stand up on my arms just to see the grainy pictures on the free dvd minis the Cube magasine used to give out.

i always know when something is gona be good, cause i get chills.
i got them from occarina of time, and majoras mask adverts, and i bought a n64 back then JUST for occarina.
this twighlight princess makes me cold.....literaly, all the way down the spine, the arms, even the legs, in the middle of summer.

oh, and yeah, you should be able to download a backdated selection of 'archived' material from the nintendo cataloge with the rev....they say some will cost, and some may be free as add ons or bonus, but come on, not everyone got the chance to get every game back then.

usa had snes games like chrono trigger and mario RPG, while we euro got stuff like terranigma (sequal to illusion of time, also called illusion of gaia)

if they alow everyone to get at archive copies of pal and ntsc games, it will be worth it to get to play games we missed.

ExplosiveBadger · Sep 18, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

I'm a huge nintendo fan and the Gamecube was a huge failure. All it had at the end of the day was the Metroid,SSBM, LoZ WW (If you even liked that game... I hated it), upcoming Zelda which will be good no matter what, and probably 5 other good titles i'm not mentioning.

Shinto Sotto · Sep 18, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

You just gotta remember.. who first used analogue sticks? nintendo did. now its standard on all consoles. who first used rumble? nintendo. now thats standard too. they know what they are doing.

Firetail · Sep 18, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I can see why people are skeptical about it: imagine trying to operate San Andreas with about 4 buttons and a motion sensor (I now its not nintendo but thats not the point)
I think it will kick ass in some genres, like fps and fighting games, but will be crap in things like racing games or something. It just looks like you will have to look to find the right button, which would wreck a really fast racing game.
Ill still get one, as its nintendo

Akilles · Sep 18, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Ok, honestly they should just sell the company to Microsoft now since they will buy it anyway when they tank, So I need to get used to seeing Zelda and Mario on the xbox I guess. The CEO and Development team at Nintendo needs to be fired BIG TIME!

Check the gay controller!!!!

At first glance I said OHHH, cool nintendo is making a remote control! This means movies can be played!!!! YEAH! Then I read on. I dont care if they say it is responsive, a one handed controller??? I guess it will come in handy for when Playboy releases a game for nintendo but I mean come on. I have played a game on my dvd player using my remote to try those games and guess what, IT SUCKED! Read the article though u may feel diffrent. I truly feel if the system is not initially selling for $100.00, The company is doomed. It needs to be cheap enough for ppl to say, Well, I'll get it I guess.

For the lazy NON-Readers out there, here is a pic.

No that is not for ppl fighting over which channel to watch, its a 4 player game!

Mario 64 Master · Sep 18, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

For our lazy topic posters who decide not to investigate the situation fully...

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Q: What does the conventional controller cradle/shell do?

A: This add-on makes it possible to play Revolution games in a more traditional manner. The shell is designed to look and function like accepted "regular" controllers, such as the Wave Bird. After its bottom casing is removed, the Revolution's free-hand-style remote is inserted into a gap in the middle of the controller shell. Gamers can then use the shell as they would a traditional controller, with a notable difference: the pointer remote's sensory functionality remains active. As a result, gamers get the best of both worlds: more buttons and two analog sticks along with motion-sensing operations. In a Revolution version of Madden Football, gamers might be able to use the combo to control players with the shell's analog sticks and execute pinpoint passes with the pointer's improved accuracy.

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/...026412-000.jpg

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html

Happy now?